1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 You have a report in the center? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Yeah, I got your number from LA Center. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,000 And they said you might be interested in something I saw. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 You bet we would. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 I'm my own jet on a Lair 35. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 And do you know where the farm will be, Orr? 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Yes. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:34,000 It was about two hours ago, and at 5 level 430. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:42,000 And it's fine sound notice to you, but there's something, I mean, not quite far away from us. 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 For about ten minutes. 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 About double the size of the 747. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,000 It was round, cigar shaped. No thrust, no wings, no cockpit. 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Had no trouble at all moving. 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 And we saw it off in the distance. It's not a full moon at night. We saw it off in the distance. 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 And there's no lights on it. We weren't sure what it was. 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 And as it got closer, we saw that it was, you know, something. 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Yes. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:22,000 And he followed us along. He got close to us and we asked the center what that target was. 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,000 And they said there's no target there. And we said yes, there is a target. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 And they said no, there's no target. So then we asked them to switch on to the primary radar. 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Which could pick up targets without a transponder. And they did. 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 And there's still no target. And so we didn't say anything else. 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Because we just could hand off another section. 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:50,000 And he, our head was right next to us for about 10 or 15 minutes. 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Okay, what was your altitude? 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 43,000. 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And what was your destination? 28 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,000 San Francisco. 29 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 From Panama to San Francisco. 30 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Okay, now, were you looking at something that was lighted? 31 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Or were you looking at a solid object surrounded by light? 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 No light. All we could see was a reflection of the moon. 33 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Okay. The dim outline, no light. 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Was there any question in your mind that this was metallic? 35 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:38,000 It wasn't metallic. Because we, on the wings, we have, on the wingtips of this airplane, we have 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 ground clearance lights which shine out and they shine up. 37 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 And so when you're going and taxiing around an airport, you can see at the end of the wings. 38 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 We turned on those lights. And there was no reflection. 39 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 It was, I mean, it wasn't, we could see the skin for maybe about 30 seconds. 40 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,000 We could see the skin and it wasn't metal. It was like foam rubber. 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Something that was porous. But we only saw it for a second. 42 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 It was a clear night. But the moon wasn't right at all. 43 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 And then as soon as he got within range, he was going parallel to us. 44 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000 He sort of got a little further away. He stayed about 50 feet from us. 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000 I'm serious, 50 feet. 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Was this on your left side? 47 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 On the pilot side. 48 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,000 And because I was a fighter pilot in Korea and I know the distance is. 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Okay. Did you have any turbulence at all while I was around? 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 No. How about interference with instruments or radio? 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,000 No. 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 We didn't only see him come up on us. 53 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 We saw him in the distance for a little bit, but we weren't sure what it was. 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 The only reason we even knew what it was, because are you a pilot? 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 No, sir. Okay. Well, on the back of a jet or all any 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,000 jet aircraft is a red rotating beacon, which is required. 57 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 And, you know, on the corner of a yacht, you see it reflect off the wing every time it revolves. 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 But it started to not reflect the way it had been. 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 And the reason was because this thing had come, you know, 60 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 interfering with light. And that's how we even know it. We wouldn't have noticed it if it wasn't for 61 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 the, it was different on the wing, the reflection off our beacon. 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Right. So that's how we noticed it. 63 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 And then we thought it was just dark and if we didn't really think it was a shave, then they got closer and it wasn't a shave. 64 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 And we were absolutely positive. Both my pilot, 65 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 my copilot and myself, are not. 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 How long did it maintain that 50 foot distance from you? 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Well, it was near there for about 15 minutes. 68 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 It was only within 50 feet for about 10 minutes. Okay. 69 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Did you actually see this object move away out of sight? Yeah. 70 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Which direction was it moving? Right ahead of us. 71 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 At probably trip-ar speed. No acceleration problem. 72 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 No build-up of speed. It was just at our 73 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 airspeed to, I mean, almost 74 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 instantaneous. Okay, what were you traveling at the time? 0.82. 75 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Okay. You know what that means? 76 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,000 0.82, that's mock. Mock, right? 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Okay, could I get your approximate location again? 78 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 23 miles north of the thermal VOR. 79 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Okay. Could I have your name please? 80 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 About what time did this occur? 81 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,000 About two hours ago. Two hours. 82 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Okay, sir. If we need any additional information, 83 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,000 can we feel free to communicate with you anytime? 84 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,000 It's a lot easier in writing. It's almost impossible to call me. Okay. 85 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Well, we sure appreciate your reporting this. And if we come out 86 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,000 with any additional information as to what you're saying, why we'll communicate with you. 87 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,000 What time will you do with the information? 88 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Well, okay, this goes into research. Now, gather all the 89 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 data that we can on this particular report, then it goes through a 90 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 data reduction system. And that data goes into the data 91 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 bank that's used in our research program relating to the field of ufology. 92 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Okay, well, 93 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,000 I can assure you this is not an airplane. Uh-huh. 94 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 It's too maneuverable and too fast for 95 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 and also that it wasn't, they didn't see one radar which surprised me. We are also 96 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 in concert radar. We have weather radar and we had it turned on. 97 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 There's nothing there. Still nothing there. Okay. Did this thing maintain its 98 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,000 density during the entire sighting? 99 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Or did it change its glow or brightness at all? No glow, no brightness. Just reflection of the moon. 100 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Didn't change at all? No. Okay. I say it poses 101 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 the same existence. It'd be like a 102 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 maybe, it looks like a brownie sort of, you know. I couldn't see the color, but it 103 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 looked like a porous styrofoam or something. Yes. 104 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Brown, well I don't know if it's brown. I think it's brown or black and color. The color that we 105 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 both saw for the instant was sort of a grayish brown. But it wasn't at all. 106 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Okay. How many years you've been flying? 107 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,000 25, 23. Long time. 108 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 I own a company of my own. We have four jets of our own. 109 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 I fly myself every day. I was a pilot in Korea, 110 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 a pilot in Vietnam. And I worked for United 111 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000 as a co-pilot for a couple of years. 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Alright sir, we sure appreciate you reporting this. And like I say, if we get any more 113 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,000 on it, we'll let you know. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Okay.